H05044 MAY 2005 NOTES AND QUERIES - 5/6/05 - HARDY FORUM ARCHIVES ____________________________________________________________________________
RECEPTION OF TESS
HARDY'S SKETCHES OF COTTAGES
ELIZABETH BROWNE QUESTION
1861 CENCUS
HARDY'S PERFECT FEMALES
TRANSLATION OF THE MAYOR OF CASTERBRIDGE
WESSEX POEMS QUESTION
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From: hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
Subject: Forwarded Message,
Date: May 6, 2005 2:47:51 PM PDT
Dear All,
Here is another message which I'm passing on from the VICTORIA List. Please
send any responses to the inquirer, not to the Forum.
many Thanks,
Betty
Dear members,
For an appendix to a paper on novels that outraged
public opinion and literary critics, I am searching
for information on Jane Eyre, Wuthering Heights and
Tess of the D'Urbervilles - what were the reasons these
novels aroused such indignation and/or disgust with
the reading public and critics of the day when they
first appeared?
I would be grateful for any informations on where I
could find comments or resources about these novels
(articles, contemporary reviews, books, conference
papers etc.).
Thank you very much in advance,
Andrea Scheimann
Epiphany@gmx.net
Hanover University, Germany
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From: bestvictoria@hotmail.com
Subject: Hardy's sketches of cottages
Date: May 12, 2005 12:15:34 PM PDT
Dear TTHA List,
I'm looking for copies of Hardy's illustrations - in particular of "cottages" for one of my readers. I realise Dorset County Library have examples of such titles that deal with his architectural drawings and sketches, but I am looking specifically for any individual titles that contain sketches, and if possible, more precisely, sketches of cottages,
Many thanks for any help,
Victoria Weavell,
University of Bristol, England
South Western Regional Library System.
bestvictoria@hotmail.com
Best, Victoria.
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From: Rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu
Subject: Re: Hardy's sketches of cottages
Date: May 14, 2005 6:29:22 AM PDT
Dear Victoria,
I'm sorry you've had no responses to your question -- I suspect it's because Hardy may have made no drawings of cottages, aside from his own..
For a copy of this, see http://www.yale.edu/hardysoc/Welcome/Forum/forum.htm
Among his other assorted illustrations there are those in the first edition of Wessex Poems and in the Life; some of his sketches are reprinted in the various editions of The Hardy Review, in the MS edition of FFMC (Morgan edition) and so on.
His main architectural interest was in church restoration. However, there are one or two publication which might give some leads.
The Architectural Notebooks of Thomas Hardy, edited by C.J.P Beatty, published by the Dorset Natural History and Archeological Society in 1996 (you could try contacting Dr Beatty personally) .
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And "Hardy and Architecture" by John Betjeman (published in Margaret Drabble I think, but I don't have the publication info to hand). Betjeman himself has an excellent book on English country cottages.
Hope this helps,
All best wishes,
Rosemarie Morgan
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From: hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
Subject: Elizabeth browne Question.
Date: May 18, 2005 3:22:51 PM PDT
Dear All,
The following message came to me privately. I will include my response to
her. If anyone can shed more light on the subject I am sure she will
appreciate it.
Many thanks,
Betty
Dear Dr. Cortus
I am a freelance writer working on an article on
Elizabeth Martha Browne and in particular the part she
played in inspiring Thomas Hardy. Could you tell me if
you have much information on the subject. I am also
looking for some pictures to accompany the piece and
was hopeing you might be able to help me or could
point me in the right direction.
Any help you can give me would be very much
appreciated.
Best regards
Jackie Cosh
Dear Jackie,
I'm a little confused about the identity of your subject. Martin
Seymour-Smith's biography speaks briefly of "a gamekeeper's red-haired
daughter called Elizabeth Browne, who rejected Hardy's advances (31) , and
Michael Millgate discusses Martha Browne, whose hanging Hardy witnessed
(63). I will send your question to the Hardy list, hoping scholars
specializing in Hardy's life can be of more help, and I will pass on any
responses to you.
Best Wishes,
Betty Cortus
hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
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From: kgwilson@uottawa.ca
Subject: Re: Elizabeth browne Question.
Date: May 18, 2005 11:25:13 PM PDT
Elizabeth Martha Brown(e) is sometimes given -- see, for example, Robert
Gittings, 'Young Thomas Hardy" (Heinemann, 1975), pp. 32-5 -- as the full
name of the woman Hardy saw hanged. One small item easily missed is Lady
Hester Pinney's, "Thomas Hardy and the Birdsmoorgate Murder 1856"
(Beaminster: Toucan Press, 1966); this is No. 25 of "Monographs on the
Life, Times and Works of Thomas Hardy." It comprises Pinney's
recollection of a 1925 meeting with Hardy at which she claims he asked her
to find out more about Martha Brown, who had lived locally. Pinney
gathered information from some of the older patients at Beaminster
Infirmary (given the 69 years between the trial and execution and the
enquiries, the resulting information presumably needs treating with some
caution). Hardy wrote her a letter of thanks on 20 January 1926 (see also
Millgate and Purdy, eds., "Collected Letters of Thomas Hardy", vol 7, p.
5.), as did Florence Hardy (see Millgate, ed., "Letters of Emma and
Florence Hardy," p.235): the latter is particularly interesting for
Florence's brief comments on Hardy's interest in the case.
The monograph also contains Pinney's summary of local newspaper reports
of the trial and execution, and appended is a local oral history
account provided by a Jim Lane of Blackdown on 13 June 1926. He
remembers as a youth trying unsuccessfully to view the body of Martha's
husband -- who she claimed had been kicked by a horse -- and provides
some detail of local responses to the case.
Keith Wilson
University of Ottawa
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From: robert_goddard@hotmail.com
Subject: 1861 census
Date: May 19, 2005 8:47:52 AM PDT
Dear Betty,
The following URL contains a news item concerning the publication of the 1861 census for England and Wales. It mentions Thomas Hardy's entry.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4560059.stm
With best wishes,
Robert
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From: hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
Subject: Re: 1861 census
Date: May 19, 2005 9:19:27 AM PDT
Thanks for this Robert, It is good to see Hardy's name right up there with
Queen Victoria, no less!
Regards,
Betty
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From: jacky@wilkibob.me.uk
Subject: RE: 1861 census
Date: May 19, 2005 10:00:25 AM PDT
I beg to differ, Betty - it's nice to see Queen Victoria's name right up
there with Thomas Hardy!!!
All the best,
Jacky
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From: Rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu
Subject: Re: 1861 census
Date: May 19, 2005 10:37:05 AM PDT
Ah ... and I was just thinking what a treat it must be for the Queen to be on the same page as Thomas Hardy!
Rosemarie
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From: leloise@fsmail.net
Subject: Hardy and 'perfect females' Mayor of Casterbridge
Date: May 20, 2005 8:28:09 AM PDT
"to what extent Thomas Hardy's feminine characters conform to the Victorian 'feminine ideal' of being passive, dependent and virginal". I am concentrating largely on his novel 'The Mayor of Casterbridge'. Although have seen the sexually independent woman demonstrated, for instance in Lucetta, I have also observed how Henchard does try to mold Elizabeth Jane into this 'feminine ideal' by encouraging manners and pretty dresses etc. I was also interested in the auction of the wife. In a sense, surely Henchard is selling his wife in the same way as business transactions were dealt with?
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From: gavinailes@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Hardy and 'perfect females' Mayor of Casterbridge
Date: May 21, 2005 1:09:10 AM PDT
I am new to the list so may have missed earlier discussion on this subject.
I think that Hardy's women are generally speaking far from the Victorian ideal. Elizabeth Jane's virtue draws Henchard's downfall more starkly so works well as characterisation but there are few female characters in Hardy who conform to the Victorian ideal. Though he invites sympathy for the heroines to the modern reader, their flaws would have made them unpalatable to many of the contemporary readers. Some of Hardy's female characters are portayed as women who would conform to the ideal but are prevented from doing so by society. For women, Victorian society was far from ideal.
"To (Tess) and her like, birth itself was an ordeal of degrading personal compulsion, whose gratuitousness nothing in the result seemed to justify, and at best could only palliate"
Tess of the D'Urbervilles, Ch. 51
Gavin Ailes
gavinailes@hotmail.com
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From: soocil@yahoo.com
Subject: In how many languages the novel 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' has been translated so far?
Date: May 31, 2005 7:02:33 AM PDT
In how many languages the novel 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' has been translated so far?
Sushil K.C.
Nepal, Ph. 977-1-6618389
(The guy in the process of translating 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' .) in Nepali
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From: Rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu
Subject: Re: In how many languages the novel 'The Mayor of Casterbridge' has been translated so far?
Date: May 31, 2005 7:39:12 AM PDT
Sarah Bird Wright's Thomas Hardy: A To Z (Facts on File Inc, 2002), lists 7 translations of MC : Chinese, Czech, French, German,, Japanese, Polish, Spanish.
Good Luck,
Rosemarie Morgan
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From: meryfac@hotmail.com
Subject: WESSEX POEMS
Date: May 31, 2005 10:05:14 AM PDT
Dear All,
Do you know if Thomas Hardy has indicated for some of the Wessex Poems later versions or alternatives than those dated 1898, that he preferred ?
Thank you,
Maria
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From: meryfac@hotmail.com
Subject: MS
Date: May 31, 2005 2:18:10 PM PDT
Hello again!
Do you know where the manuscripts of Wessex Poems are located? I thought
they were in the Dorset County Museum, but the director of the museum said
me they were not there, although the museum contains the best collection of
Hardy manuscripts!! I am very lucky!!
Please, if someone knows where I can find them, answer me soon!
Thanks in advance!
Maria
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From: hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
Subject: Re: MS
Date: May 31, 2005 2:39:45 PM PDT
Hello Marie
According to *The Oxford Reader's Companion to Thomas Hardy*. (Ed, Norman
Page, 2000)
"The manuscript was given by Hardy to Birmingham City Museum and Art
Gallery, through the agency of Sydney Cockerell, in 1911." (466).
It might be easier for you to try to locate a copy of James Gibson's
variorum edition of the Complete Poems.
Betty Cortus
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From: meryfac@hotmail.com
Subject: Unidentified subject!
Date: May 31, 2005 2:49:45 PM PDT
Thank you very much! I have just a copy of Gibson's Variorum Edition, but
sfortunately my teacher wants the copies of the original manuscripts, if it
is possible!
I will try to send a mail to the Birmingham Museum!
Thank you again for the information...
Maria
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