H05015 NOTES AND QUERIIES - 2/6/05 - HARDY FORUM ARCHIVES ____________________________________________________________________________
FALLEN WOMEN IN THE NOVELS (2)
INFLUENCE OF DARWINISM (2)
CHANNEL FIRING COMMENTS
UNSUITABLE STUDENT QUERIES
HARDY IN CURRICULA (3)
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From: nataliefagan20@hotmail.com
Subject: Fallen Women in the Novels
Date: February 6, 2005 12:10:44 PM PST
could any body tell me more about the notion of the fallen woman. I am examining the two novels Far from the Madding Crowd and Return of the Native.
Could it be interpreted that Thomasin would have been looked upon as a fallen woman if she refused to marry Wildeve after thier engagement.
Many thanks!
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From: NHardyboy@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fallen Women in the Novels
Date: February 6, 2005 12:52:02 PM PST
No; a "fallen woman" is an unmarried woman who has lost her virginity and who usually becomes a prostitute or/and drifts into poverty. Fannie Robin of "Far from the Madding Crowd" fits the "fallen woman" bill more closely than does Tamsin, and Tess of course fights against this label. The worst that could be said of Tamsin if she broke the engagement vow is that she's a jilt--that's committing a social sin, but there's none of the stain of being called "fallen."
Regards,
Paul Niemeyer
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From: christinebeanoconnor@yahoo.co.uk
Subject: Influence on Darwinsism
Date: February 20, 2005 10:55:59 AM PST
Hi,
I'm writing a dissertation on the influence of Darwinism in Thomas Hardy's novels. Does anybody know of anywhere that I may find information on this subject? Any ideas would be really appreciated. Thanks. Christine.
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From: hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
Subject: Re: Influence on Darwinism
Date: February 20, 2005 4:17:56 PM PST
Christine, you should find some material on Hardy and Darwin in the Forum archives at:
http://www.yale.edu/hardysoc/Welcome/Forum/Searchable%20Archives.htm
Betty Cortus
hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
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From: schweikr@localnet.com
Subject: "Channel Firing"
Date: February 20, 2005 5:58:00 PM PST
Hardy-L can check Bill Morgan's poetry page and
see the comments on poems posted there. But, if there are
any out there who want to access those pages but who
find it difficult to do so, would you please contact me privately?
When Bill Morgan posts a poem on his "Poem of the Month" it
usually gets a flurry of responses and, then, people assume that
the discussion is over. In this case, not so. I've just posted a
message to the POTM in which I raise questions about comments
made by Bill, by Philip Allingham, and by Carolyn McGrath. You
may respond to my criticisms of one or more of the three, either by
way of agreement or disagreement, either to Bill's POTM or to this
Forum--or, preferably, both.
But, I should add, at least one of my comments is really in the form of a more
general question about how, and why, readers respond to literary works which
involve nonsensical and contradictory situations (dead people speaking,
and sitting up in covered coffins for example). In that posting, I assumed
that most readers accept such contradictory and conflicting presentations.
For further details, please check Bill Morgan's poetry page, and, again, if you have
problems doing so, please (as I mention above) write to me privately.
But, to those remarks I've raised in my posting on "Channel Firing," I
might just add one further question here. Recently I published a
study of Hardy's The Well-Beloved--"'Only a Sketch After All': Hardy's
Depiction of Pierston's Art in The Well-Beloved," The Thomas Hardy
Journal, 18.2 (May, 2002), 47-56, in which I commented on the contradictions
and inconsistencies in Hardy's treatment of Pierston's art. In that study I assumed
that readers of the novel, once made aware of its contradictions and
inconsistencies, would be less likely to take it seriously as a work about
sculpture or of art in general.
However, I make no such assumption about the inconsistencies in Hardy's "Channel
Firing," and, indeed, suggest that there is a literary form that has at its
core precisely a justification of such contradictions and inconsistencies. Why, then,
are the contradictions and inconsistencies in The Well-Beloved not part of
such a literary form? Or are they? Have I somehow failed to see the signals
that Hardy might have used to justify the contradictions and inconsistencies
in The Well-Beloved that I think I see in such poems as "Channel Firing"?
Unlike Walt Whitman, I don't blithely assume that if I contradict myself, "well,
then I contradict myself." It seems to me that there is some important difference
between the contradictions in "Channel Firing" and those in The Well-Beloved
that is fundamental to our understanding how literature works. What, I wonder,
are they? Or am I wrong in one, or another, or both of my comments?
Bob
Robert Schweik
University Distinguished Teaching Professor Emeritus
Department of English
State University of New York
Fredonia, NY 14063
USA
schweik@fredonia.edu
schweikr@localnet.com
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From: Rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu
Subject: Re Unsuitable Student Questions
Date: February 20, 2005 8:05:07 PM PST
Greetings all:
I wonder why students (as below) feel that others (such as TTHA ) should be doing their research for them?
Surely if they are bona fide students they have bona fide supervisors to guide them through their bibliographies?
We-- at TTHA - receive these kinds of "know of anywhere that I may find information on this subject" queries every day, every week, every month ( not always on the Forum -- more often by private email) yet not one of us has been appointed academic supervisors to these students.
TTHA provides a comprehensive scholarly resource (bibliographies, poetry discussion groups, full information on the novels, the dramas, the current affairs and life and works of Thomas Hardy) -- most of it freely available to students. For serious upper level scholars membership is recommended. TTHA- with its 21 scholar-directors -- worldclass scholars from across the globe -- works industriously and constantly, night and day, to provide a free research resource for all Hardy students and lay readers.
Surely, the whole idea of becoming a student, taking on this thing called "study," is that one takes it on?
Here we are ! TTHA --.
Study our resources.
With every good wish,
Rosemarie Morgan
President: TTHA
> Hi, I'm writing a dissertation on the influence of Darwinism in
>Thomas Hardy's novels. Does anybody know of anywhere that I may find
>information on this subject? Any ideas would be really appreciated.
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From: waller1001@comcast.net
Subject: research
Date: February 22, 2005 6:41:28 PM PST
What specific topics concerning Thomas Hardy are higher Educational Institutions covering in their curriculums?
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From: hardycor@owl.csusm.edu
Subject: Research Project
Date: February 24, 2005 6:48:38 AM PST
Dear All,
The following message, sent to me privately, was actually meant for the list.
Betty
Hey, my name is Davis Waller and I am a student at Woodward Academy
researching Thomas Hardy as part of a semester-long research assignment. It
would greatly assist me in my research if any professors or students who
study Thomas Hardy as part of their college curriculum could respond with
any outstanding lines of research currently being performed on Hardy's work
at their college or university. Overall, I am looking for information
concerning the curriculum of a Professor teaching Hardy at a college or
university. Thank you, Davis Waller
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From: Rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu
Subject: Re: Research Project
Date: February 27, 2005 1:38:32 PM PST
Dear Davis --
The following will provide a good start:
http://www.yale.edu/hardysoc/Syllabi/syllabi.htm
Good Luck!
Rosemarie
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