HARDY FORUM ARCHIVE HO3033 5/7/03 "DOCUMENTING THE BOOK OF BABY BIRDS"
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From: "Bev Lawrence" <bjl32@cam.ac.uk>
Subject: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
Date: Wed, 7 May 2003 23:12:02 +0100
Can anyone advise me on how I would refer to the book of poems *The Book of Baby Birds* in a bibliography. Would the author be E. J. Detmold, Florence Hardy or even Hardy himself. Does anyone know the date the book was published and the publisher? I am aware a discussion of these poems is included in the latest Hardy Review and I look forward to reading all about them. Thanks Bev Lawrence
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From: "schweik" <schweik@fredonia.edu>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 17:26:33 GMT
OCLC WorldCat gives the authors as "Hardy, Florence
Emily; Detmold, Edward Julius". Three editions are
listed:
London: Hodder & Stoughton, 1912
New York: Hodder & Stoughton, 1912
London: Oxford University Press, 1919.
Bob Schweik
Robert Schweik
schweik@fredonia.edu
schweikr@localnet.com
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:13:51 -0400
From: Rosemarie Morgan <rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
The Detmold book is:
Edward Julius Detmold, *The Book of Baby Birds,* (Henry Frowde & Hodder &
Stoughton, London: 1912).
However, most of the poems cited in *The Hardy Review, Volume V* are taken
from:
*Thomas Hardy, Fifty-Seven Poems by Thomas Hardy* edited by Bernard Jones
(Meldon House, Dorset: 2002)
Bev-- your copy of *The Hardy Review,V* is on its way (your form arrived
yesterday).
Hope this helps,
Rosemarie
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Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 19:03:30 +0100 (BST)
From: Michael Day <M.Day@bath.ac.uk>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
Naturally this would depend on which citation scheme is in use and the
particular edition used.
Following on from Bob Schweik's reply, I have looked at the catalogue
records on the CURL union catalogue COPAC (http://www.copac.ac.uk/), which
has details of two copies, one in the British Library, the other in
Glasgow University Library:
British Library record:
Main Author: Dugdale, Florence Emily
Title Details: The Book of Baby Birds. Illustrations by E. J. Detmold.
Descriptions by F. E. Dugdale. [With contributions by
Thomas Hardy.]
Publisher: London : Henry Frowde; Hodder & Stoughton, [1912.]
Physical desc.: pp. 120. ; 4o.
Other Names: Detmold, Edward Julius, Hardy, Florence Emily
Glasgow University Library record:
Main Author: Hardy, Florence Emily, 1881-1937.
Title Details: The book of baby birds.
Publisher: London : Frowde, 1912.
Physical desc.: 19 plates (8vo.)
Neither of these catalogue entries are based on the cataloguing standard
that I understand (AACR2), so I'm unable to recreate the original title
page from these (even the book sizes look different). From this and Bob
Schweik's information we can say with some confidence that the UK edition
of the book was first published in 1912 jointly by Henry Frowde (the
commercial 'London Business' of Oxford University Press, the publisher of
bibles, prayer books and the World's Classics series, and with a New York
branch since 1895) and Hodder and Stoughton. If the British Library's
transcription of the title page details are correct it would appear to
have contained both Detmold and Dugdale's names.
It also looks as if Detmold's plates were reissued in 1927 by OUP, and
that the poems, together with those in "The book of baby beasts" and "The
book of baby pets," were republished last year:
Thomas Hardy, Fifty-seven poems. Gillingham: Meldon House, 2002. ISBN
0950853135
I hope that this helps.
Michael Day
* Research Officer, UKOLN The UK Office for Library and Information *
* Networking, University of Bath, Claverton Down, Bath BA2 7AY. *
* Tel. +44 (0)1225 323923 Fax +44 (0)1225 826838 *
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Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 14:35:15 -0400
From: Rosemarie Morgan <rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
Ooops!-- we have a minor conflict of authorial ascriptions here.
Helen-- I think you have copies of the originals-- can you help? If OCLC
cites FEH as primary then that's probably it!
Cheers,
R
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From: Thudecki@cs.com
Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 22:45:37 EDT
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
Chirp, Chirp....has anyone come up with a place we can actually buy The Baby
Bird Book? ...and who is the author....or am I to understand there are
several authors of several books?.......you have lost me on this one! Janine
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Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 11:27:22 -0400
From: Rosemarie Morgan <rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
The poems, without illustrations, have been issued as follows:
*Fifty-Seven Poems by Thomas Hardy,* edited by Bernard Jones (2002) and can
be obtained
by writing to the author at:
Meldon House,
The Red House,
East Stour,
Gillingham,
Dorset SP8 5JY
This book is a limited edition: 250 copies have been printed and I have
been given Number 215. So there may be no more copies left.
Good luck,
Rosemarie
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From: Thudecki@cs.com
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 11:50:35 EDT
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
Good concise information, Rosemarie. Simply stated this provides us with
the source to order directly. That clears up most of the confusion.
Does anyone know if the city of Jude's dreaming is an actual city or purely
fictional?
Thanks, Janine
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Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 14:20:35 -0400
From: Rosemarie Morgan <rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
My! you are one thirsty scholar!
(no negative inference, re appetites, intended).
Jude's " Christminster" is based on the city of Oxford of-the-day whose
gleaming spires, the novel claims, can be glimpsed from the high lands and
rooftops of (upper?) Wessex.
It is dream country, of course. Jude's primarily. This is why it's called
"Christminster." "Christ" -- perhaps as in redeemer and sacred (you'll
perceive for yourself, in Hardy's title, the illusory connotataions not to
mention the ironic) . The "Minster" part works in conjunction with the
"Christ" part. For example a "minster" was the church of a monastery. Again
you'll detect for yourself the heavy irony of this aspect of Jude's
dreamworld. "Monastic" meaning also celibate.
I won't witter on. You'll have a wonderful time exploring *Jude* with these
things in mind.
Cheers,
Rosemarie
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Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 16:50:07 -0400
From: Rosemarie Morgan <rosemarie.morgan@yale.edu>
Subject: Re: Reference to *The Book of Baby Birds*
This note has just come from Helen Gibson and answers our queries:
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"... it occurs to me that these books were produced for very young
children and Detmold's illustrations are probably the most important
feature, and certainly on the covers of both 'Baby Pets' and 'Baby Birds'
it says 'By E.J. Detmold', and in the inside title page his name is first,
with 'descriptions by Florence E. Dugdale' lower down. Detmold's work was
already well-known, and it would be interesting to
know how Florence's involvement came about. I can't see any reference to
him in Hardy's letters or *The Life.* They were printed at Bungay in
Suffolk - same county as Aldeburgh, but probably just co-incidence."
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All best,
RM
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