HARDY FORUM ARCHIVE H01086 10/23/01 "VICTORIAN MAP OF DORSET" ============================================================= From: Martin Ray Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:58:09 +0100 (BST) I have recently bought a facsimile reproduction of the Victorian Ordnance Survey map of Dorchester and South Dorset. The cartography began about 1800 and was occasionally revised up till about 1886 (mainly to take account of the growth of the railways). The birthplace is clearly marked, as one of only three buildings in Veterans' Alley. Intriguingly, Higher Bockhampton is called New Bockhampton. I suppose even Domicilium was new once ('when first we settled here'). Max Gate does not feature, of course, but its site is marked 'T.P.' for Turn Pike, the original Mack's Gate. The most prominent feature of Dorchester would seem to be the Union Workhouse! The map is beautifully printed by David and Charles, the publishers who brought out one of Denys Kay-Robinson's excellent books on Wessex topography. The cost is £6.50 in the UK and about £8.50 overseas. I'll send details if anyone is interested. I'm not sure it would make a very good framed print, as about half of the map is blank paper: the English Channel gets in the way! All the best, Martin Dr Martin Ray Department of English University of Aberdeen Aberdeen Scotland, UK m.ray@abdn.ac.uk ========== Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 09:20:25 -0400 From: Rosemarie Morgan Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Oh Yes! Details please--Martin. Thanks, Rosemarie =========== From: Martin Ray Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 14:51:25 +0100 (BST) Hiya Rosemarie I'll post details tomorrow (I have the information at home). Besties Martin ========== From: "JULIAN WHIPPLE" Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 19:07:11 -0400 Dear Martin Ray, Please post to the list - surely Rosemarie and I are not alone in being interested. Julian =========== From: Martin Ray Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:50:56 +0100 (BST) Here are the details for ordering the Victorian Ordnance Survey map of Dorchester and surrounding areas. The cost in the UK is £6.50, including postage. Overseas, the cost is £8.50 (if ordering from overseas, you need to send them a telephone number, so they can arrange delivery) The address is Victorian O.S. maps Brunel House Forde Close Newton Abbot TQ12 2DW You can also order by phone on 01626 334 555 You should ask for map number 92: Dorchester They also do similar maps for the whole of England and Wales. Additional maps cost £4..75 each. If you want additional ones, I'll tell you the reference number. One nice point about the Dorchester map: all those Puddles were still Piddles! Martin Dr Martin Ray Department of English University of Aberdeen Aberdeen Scotland, UK m.ray@abdn.ac.uk ========== From: "segr" Subject: Victorian maps Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:19:35 +0100 Sorry to intrude on Martin's (not Roy's) correspondence but interested parties might find it cheaper to go to www.old-maps.co.uk and start up their printers.... Salutations to all! Roy Buckle www.segr-music.net ========== Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:54:47 -0400 From: Shannon Rogers Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Hello Martin, If it's not a problem, could I get the references for the England and Wales maps Thanks so much, Shannon ========== From: Martin Ray Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:23:13 +0100 (BST) Hi Shannon I should explain that there are about 100 maps covering England and Wales. If you let me know the nearest main town or city in the area you are interested in, I'll be able to tell you the reference number. Thanks Martin ========= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 09:06:01 -0400 From: Rosemarie Morgan Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Back again, Martin, Do I gather from your message that Scotland is excluded from these ordnance surveys? (as a true Aberdonian I'm sure you'd have included Scotland, if Victorians had had it on the map!). If not excluded, could I please have the reference number for Fife? Thanks, Rosemarie P.S Yes, the "Piddles" are decidedly up and running in Dorset-- the River Piddletrenthide, with its strong syllabics (the "h" is silent) provided my four children, growing up in Dorset, with a most satisfactory expletive when the shorter versions of the four-letter kind had to be repressed in polite company. ========== From: Martin Ray Subject: Re: Victorian map of Dorset Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:56:59 +0100 (BST) Hi again, Rosemarie Yes, I'm sorry to say that Scotland was not included. Those Sassenach surveyors were obviously too cowering and tim'rous to venture over the border in 1800. Either that, or they reckoned that there wasn't anything here to put on a map except a load of sheep (and four of the oldest universities in Europe, he says needlessly to a St Andrews lassie). Ta ta for now Martin ========== From: "segr" Subject: FREE Victorian Maps Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:59:43 +0100 Dear Listers If I, as a mere sassenach (though with very strong cross-border connections), may address you on a subject raised by that aberdonian(who may, of course, have none), and which appears to have stimulated a wild rush for wallets, it may be of interest to you to find that a source of on-screen information is to be found at www.old-maps.co.uk/oldSite/ waiting for your screen-grabbers and printers! Of course, you may pay if you want.... Salutations! Roy Buckle www.segr-music.net ========== From: "Patricia M Mann" Subject: Re: FREE Victorian Maps Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:55:57 +0100 A big thank you to Ray Martin and Roy Buckle. As an ardent fan of anything to do with the Victorian era, the maps will be extremely interesting and useful. Patricia ========== Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 11:11:24 -0400 From: Rosemarie Morgan Subject: Re: Choices Greetings and Back to Maps: Martin and I have looked at the online maps (thanks Sassenach) and for those who want a choice it is this: The online maps are very grainy and blurred and, as Martin says (permission granted): "The Dorchester map which Roy mentions is more like an A-Z, whereas the one I referred to shows much of South Dorset and is at the scale of 1 inch to 1 mile. It is beautifully engraved, and very clear and precise. It seems to be as good as the original, as far as I can tell. I suppose you pays your money (or not) and takes your choice." I have always had a fascination for fine maps -- as a child I used to pore over my father's ordnance survey maps enchanted by the tiny detailing and urging him to explain the relief markings and other hieroglyphics. Although the online maps call themselves "ordnance survey" maps I don't think they are; they don't have that fine quality -- but grateful thanks, as ever, to "Segr" Roy for bringing them to our attention. Apart from anything else they solve the problem of Scotland's non-existence -- though I haven't checked to see if the Magnificent Four (of Europe's most ancient Universities) are included; the images are far too cumbersome and slow to download. Thanks to both of you, Martin and Roy, With every good wish, Rosemarie ==========